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- Robert Rose, 1594-1652, and his wife Margery embarked at Ipswich, England in Apr 1634, in the ship Francis; John Cutting, Master. They were accompanied by eight children whose names and ages are recoreded in Howell's "History of Southampton." The oldest son, John Rose, 1619-1697, married Abigail Waters. Their fifth son was John Rose, Jr., born circa 1671. This date is given because the date of birth of the seventh son, Martyn, is known to be 1675. John Rose, Jr., is supposed to have married Miss Raynor. There are no known records of John, Jr.'s marriage or of any of his children; it is so stated in the Long Island records.
Thurston Raynor, 1594-1667, and his wife Elizabeth embarked on the ship Elizabeth in Apr 1634, accompanied by seven children, at Ipswich, England; William Andres, Master. The oldest son was Thurston Raynor, Jr., born 16 Jun 1621. it is alleged that a daughter of Thurnston, Jr., married John Rose, father of Phoebe Rose who married Simon Rumsey. There were repeated statements in Mrs. Sanford's notes quoted from letter written chiefly in Orange Co. to the effect that John Rose was the father of Phoebe Rose.
There was, however, a second John Rose, son of Martyn (1675-1730), who married Sarah Howell in 1698. Their son John Rose was born in 1704 and, according to the Long Island records, went to Orange Co. He might have acquired land in Orange Co. and sold it to Simon in 1734 or 1739, as is stated in Sanford's records. No Rose or Rumsey received a grant in Orange Co. from the colony.
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